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Oh so when Nie Huaisang tricks a guy into stabbing his best friend to death it's ""justified revenge"" and ""very girlboss of him"" but when I, Xue Yang--
#mdzs spoilers#mo dao zu shi#grandmaster of demonic cultivation#the untamed#nie huaisang#lan xichen#xue yang#xiao xingchen#a joke post but also a post that's legitimately making a point tbh#like if we can understand how incredibly cruel it was of Xue Yang to do that to XXC#(and it was! I was literally covering my mouth in horror while reading it!)#we need to understand that it was equally cruel for Nie Huaisang to do it to Lan Xichen#and even if you think JGY just got what was coming to him (debatable!)#Lan Xichen had done literally NOTHING to deserve NHS making him live with that kind of guilt for the rest of his life#ranting in my tags but anyway
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If you do scum villain sketch requests, perhaps some soft Qijiu? 🥺
If not, LWJ explaining his miffy-sona to LQR
absolutely yes i do, i love scum villain!! esp qijiu!! but miffy lwj so tempting to me that ur getting both!
#svsss#mdzs#qijiu#shen jiu#yue qingyuan#scum villain#scum villain self saving system#mo dao zu shi#lan wangji#my art#art#fanart#sketch#doodle#ask#lwj is such an infodumper to me sorry#source: hes the one with ALL the info on historical events in the novel like...#wwx is like 'wow whats xxcs deal?' and lwjs lays out his entire history its crazy#like is he probably concise and flat-toned with it yes but by god if he has the info to dump hes dumping it#and qijiu ohhhh loves of my life....miss em so bad#wanna reread svsss just for them tbh#what id give to bitch with shen jiu.........#sj: and ANOTHER thing about qingge oh my god that BASTARD im gonna kill him someday i swear-#yqy trying so hard to change the subject: wow its so late i think we should go to bed and spoon perhaps
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Pride Twins of Yunmeng somewhere after the Sunshot Campaign
There's my version of the Jade Twins if Gusu
#mdzs#wei wuixan#jiang cheng#pride twins of yunmeng#mo dao zu shi#There's something with this drawing that I'm not entirely happy with#I just wanted to get this out and keep going with my life#but now I kind of want to draw XXC and XY with this style as well#wei ying#jiang wanyin
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Genuinely confusing to me to enter the mdzs fandom after reading the yi city arc and finding out it seems like most people don't want xue yang to stay at least a mile away from song lang xiao xingchen and a-qing at all times
#no hate if you like him i just do not want him anywhere near these characters. even xxc even tho their whole thing was interesting to me#seeing aus where they're a cute family and/or the boys are a poly trip like ???? what's happening????#more confusing to me than any other incorrect character interpretation tbh#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#the untamed#grandmaster of demonic cultivation#song lan#xiao xingchen#a qing#i'm saying stuff
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Because I'm a very normal person , I spend a not-insignificant amount of time thinking about what would happen if i tried to dicuss modern political and philosophical concepts with mdzs characters. (It would take me like. 15 minutes max to convince xiao xingchen of the virtues of communism)
One conclusion this has lead me to is that I could, if I tried hard enough, convince Nie Mingjue that prisons are unjust and ineffective and need to be abolished in favor of more humane and useful rehabilitation methods. But it would be impossible get him to stop believing in the death penalty. Which would make for a really funny set of political views.
#mdzs#xiao xingchen#nie mingjue#his belief in killing bad guys is just too strong#to be clear the prison abolition thing would take TIME it's not as easy as tirning xxc into a comrade. but i could get him there#he'll go 'yeah the people that can be fixed should be treated with dignity and encouraged to do the right thing not pre-emptively punished#however some people can't be fixed and those people gotta die'#which... well. that sure is an opinion.#you gotta admit it's funny though. locking people up is too cruel you know what you gotta do? kill em
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this might just reveal things about my own personal taste, but I feel like mxtx is at her best when she's writing a relationship that is absolutely fucked. just a real psychosexual freakshow. the love was there and it made things worse. guys falling in love with the person whose demise they're supposed to be orchestrating. that sort of thing.
#her normal romances are nice and all#but in both mdzs and tgcf my favorite arcs were the ones focusing on the fucked up side characters#yi city was my first exposure to this and i remember being like HELLO??? DID ANYONE SEE THAT??? HELLO#and then again in tgcf with black water arc#my jaw was on the ground. i was both horrified and delighted#the funny thing is that the closest equivalent to this in svsss. is in fact the main couple lol#theyre not QUITE the same#in the case of xuexiao and beefleaf we've got xy and hx falling in love with the guy whose demise theyre trying to orchestrate#while xxc and sqx are oblivious to the psychological torment until everything goes wrong at the end#but in bingqiu's case the opposite is true#sqq THINKS binghe is trying to orchestrate his demise#but binghe is just aggressively trying to express his love and inadvertently psychologically tormenting him in the process#but it's the closest equivalent to the other two#and i like it. mxtx writes that sort of thing very well lol#it helps that the guy doing the tormenting is ultimately pretty pathetic about it#we know all about binghe's patheticness of course#then we've got xy being like i will torment xxc >:) [lives in domestic bliss for three years & immediately regrets driving him to suicide]#and hx playing the long game to get revenge for YEARS AND YEARS#only to fumble at the LAST SECOND and he doesnt even manage to kill sqx#lol. lmao even. point and laugh at black water sinking ships
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A Xiao Xingchen headcanon that I have, is that since he lived secluded on that mountain, there are certain concepts in society that he struggles to understand. Like gender, monogamy and money.
#xiao xingchen#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#in a way that when someone explains those to him#hes just kind of like… why?#xxc has two hands for a reason
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Parallels in the Yi City arc: Yi City Quartet & 3Zun
(Long post ahead!)
I think one overlooked detail about the Yi City arc is how closely its characters parallel the story of 3Zun – with Xiao Xingchen as Lan Xichen, Xue Yang as Jin Guangyao, and Song Lan and A-Qing as aspects of Nie Mingjue! Though we can't know if its intentional, the sheer number of similarities does suggest to me that it shouldn't be overlooked – so, let's investigate.
Both Xiao Xingchen and Lan Xichen play the role of the 'betrayed' — significantly, because of some sort of blindness.
While for Xiao Xingchen this is physical, Lan Xichen is also blind to Jin Guangyao's true nature. This blindness has been shaped by their betrayer: Xue Yan blinded Song Lan, leading to Xiao Xingchen sacrificing his own eyes for him, while Jin Guangyao deliberately acts to make himself appear honourable and innocent to the people he encounters. This means Lan Xichen cannot 'see' anything contradictory to this about him. This theme of blindness becomes important to the thematic implications of this arc, which we'll talk about later.
In both cases, the 'betrayer' has some role in shaping this blindness, and uses it to their advantage.
Xue Yang blinded Song Lan, causing Xiao Xingchen to give up his eyes for him. Jin Guangyao's crafted persona is the reason Lan Xichen doesn't suspect anything about him. Xue Yang uses Xiao Xingchen's blindness to conceal his identity/nature and thus get close to an unsuspecting him; Jin Guangyao is likewise able to be unsuspected, while using Lan Xichen's generosity to murder Nie Mingjue and gaining a strong ally/defender. Regardless of intent towards Lan Xichen himself, this is still true.
This leads to an identity reveal and betrayal, in which the former party is blindsided (...pun not intended, I couldn't find a better word).
Xiao Xingchen is shocked that Xue Yang is Xue Yang when A-Qing tells him; Lan Xichen likewise does not want to believe Jin Guangyao isn't the person he thought he knew (though, he does promise to evaluate his beliefs!), and when Jin Guangyao ends up sealing his spiritual powers and betraying him, he doesn't see it coming.
Additionally, Lan Xichen and Xiao Xingchen are both tricked into stabbing a member of their group, as a part of someone else's revenge.
For Lan Xichen, it's an outside party (Nie Huaisang); for Xiao Xingchen, it's another member of this group (Xue Yang). Nie Huaisang wanted to take revenge on Jin Guangyao, and Xue Yang wanted to take revenge on Xiao Xingchen himself.
Also, Lan Xichen was tricked by his Xue Yang counterpart into being an instrument for a group member's murder, which could also parallel these events on Xiao Xingchen's side!
So, why is this important?
A common theme in MDZS is being critical of information/rumours. Don't accept something at first glance – question the validity, the evidence, the reason it's being brought up. We see this in the way Lan Wangji acts (eg when discussingg the case of the Chang clan) and in how he teaches the Juniors; we see this in how Wei Wuxian questions the words and intentions of Sisi and Bicao, even when having people suspect Jin Guangyao would be beneficial to him; we see this in the very premise of the novel, as something we were led to believe was true at first glance (by the title and prologue) is proven to be entirely false.
And, in Lan Xichen and Xiao Xingchen's case, we see the dangers of the opposite. That's not blaming them – Jin Guangyao is a very good manipulator and I’d argue Lan Xichen handled the situation very well when it was raised, and Xiao Xingchen was physically blind and couldn’t have guessed the body on the roadside would be Xue Yang of all people – but factually, both characters believed something without having seen the full picture, and were stabbed in the back for it. Lan Xichen could have considered Nie Minjue's words to provide another perspective, and Xiao Xingchen could have inquired into this mysterious person's background and questioned whether they were exploitative (even if it may have been unreasonable, and wouldn't have changed much since Xue Yang is a very good liar), yet both didn't. They both do accept or try to accept what we know is the truth when it's raised to them, but unfortunately it's too late and both pay a steep price. It's also worth noting that both are considered righteous figures (you can debate about Lan Xichen, but that's his in-universe perception), and neither had malicious intent towards any group member. But it doesn't matter how good your intentions are, or how good of a person you are – if you believe things unquestioningly, it'll still lead to harm. Both to you, and unintentionally by you, too. After all, this unquestioning acceptance of one-sided hearsay is a major driver of the mob mentality so heavily critiqued in the book.
And yes, this could've worked had their stories not so closely paralleled each others' – but I'd argue Xiao Xingchen's physical blindness serves to lampshade the metaphorical blindness of Lan Xichen, accentuating this theme. And also having two similar stories helps draw attention to what both of them are saying much more easily than if the stories had been very different.
At the end, however, Lan Xichen is left alive and able to reflect on what led him to this scenario – unlike his spiritual predecessor. Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope, a sign that there is more room for the questioning of rumours and for critical thinking skills in the world now, especially as the younger generation who embodies this begins to grow up; or perhaps it's just another detail of just how doomed Xiao Xingchen was, because despite embodying this theme, was there anything to reflect on and do differently, that would've changed the outcome of his story? As we said before, Xue Yang is a very good liar, and there really wasn't a reason to constantly suspect him from the information Xiao Xingchen had and (more importantly) could feasibly gather. Regardless, the difference in where they end up is important when analysing similarities, and I'm inclined to believe it is a small sign the world can change for the better.
(Similarities on other members under the cut – because there are a lot for everyone else, too, and this post isn't just about the two mentioned above. Once more, we'll be analysing both the 'what' and the 'why'.)
Xue Yang and Jin Guangyao play the role of the 'betrayer' or 'villain', hiding the fact that they're causing and wanting to cause harm – successfully from one member, unsuccessfully from the other(s).
The 'What'
Both kill the suspecting, the main difference being who they're targeting with this action (for Xue Yang, this taints Xiao Xingchen further, whereas Jin Guangyao was simply targeting Nie Mingjue and not Lan Xichen at all). Additionally, both are from a lower-class*, non-cultivator background, who were taken in by the Jin sect and rose to power through this and through doing… morally dubious things. Both share revenge as a motivator – specifically, revenge against an older, male Sect Leader who used them, rejected them and physically harmed them in some way too (Chang Ci'An due to Xue Yang being a street child; Jin Guangshan due to Jin Guangyao being the ‘son of a prostitute’). However, they have both accomplished this revenge goal at the time of their main story. They also have worked together and helped each other in their actions in the past (Villainous Friends extra). Also, both end up losing a hand to Lan Wangji, coincidentally enough.
The 'Why'
Though classism is a present theme in both their stories, I wouldn’t say this is what the parallels are drawing attention to — it’s drawn attention to much more when dealing with Jin Guangyao, and the idea that being treated badly isn’t an excuse for your actions is more prevalent in contrast (with characters like WWX and A-Qing) than similarities. Thematically, they instead serve to show just how easily information can be twisted and distributed – and again, why it's so important we don't accept everything at first glance. Outside of themes, their parallels do contrast them slightly, too — after all, Jin Guangyao’s treatment of Lan Xichen** is much more positive than Xue Xang’s of Xiao Xingchen, despite the ‘betrayed’ treating both of the similarly. But, one could argue, how much does this actually matter? Considering the eventual harm brought to this figure by them regardless, and everything else each of them did? Whatever the answer, the questions are raised by these similarities between them.
Finally, Nie Mingjue is paralleled by both Song Lan and A-Qing in different ways, though the Song Lan parallels are more prominent.
The 'What': Song Lan
All three were killed by the ‘betrayer’ — however, both Nie Mingjue’s and Song Lan’s murders occured before the betrayal, and their deaths and post-mortem identity reveals play an important role in it. A-Qing witnessing Song Lan’s death (as well as just discovering Xue Yang’s identity from Song Lan) is what makes her tell Xiao Xingchen who Xue Yang is, catalysing that betrayal, and Xiao Xingchen discovering Song Lan’s identity makes the betrayal have… let’s say even more of an impact :’). Meanwhile, the identity reveal of the mysterious corpse triggers the investigation of Jin Guangyao, and also starts to catalyse his downfall, leading to the events of the Guanyin temple. Additionally, both turn into fierce corpses encountered by the cast of the main story (both fighting Wen Ning and starting more antagonistic than they end up), with these corpses having been modified in some way by the ‘betrayer’: Nie Mingjue’s corpse is cut up, and Song Lan’s has the needles inserted and is under Xue Yang’s control. I wouldn’t especially say there are themes or questions raised here, it’s more similarities in the group dynamic, but it’s still very interesting to see.
There isn't as much to say here on the 'why' side of things, though there may be something I'm missing. The role of these characters here is mainly in service of the themes in the other characters' arcs – but it's still useful to analyse just how many factual similarities there are, again to give us hints as to whether these parallels between the groups were intentional or not.
The 'What': A-Qing
A-Qing and Nie Mingjue have less parallels, but they definitely exist. Their role here is their constant suspicion — they both suspect and keep suspecting the ‘betrayer’’s actions, despite the trust of the ‘betrayed’ in them (though Nie Mingjue is certainly more violent in this regard). Additionally, both play an important role in the death of the ‘betrayer’ as undead beings: the ghost of A-Qing by constantly tapping her bamboo pole to reveal Xue Yang’s position, and Nie Mingjue’s fierce corpse by directly killing Jin Guangyao. Both are souls through which Wei Wuxian experiences the events of their stories, and both also end the story in some sort of container — Nie Mingjue in the coffin and A-Qing’s broken soul in a spirit-trapping pouch — but admittedly that’s much more flimsy than the rest of my points.
The 'Why': A-Qing
Though at first glance it seems like this suspicion didn't do anything positive for the characters – both ended up dead at the hands of the one spreading/taking advantage of misinformation – it's important to note that these characters are the characters the truth is revealed through. Though I'd argue Nie Mingjue was probably blinded by his own assumptions as much as Lan Xichen was blinded by his own, even if it did end up lining up more closely with the truth, he still plays the same role as A-Qing in questioning and suspecting somebody despite it appearing – on the surface – that there's nothing wrong. And I don't think it's coincidence that in both these cases, the truth is revealed through somebody who did play this role.
Final Thoughts
Though it is possible these parallels were still coincidences, there really are a lot of similarities between the groups' storylines – and they do serve the purpose of important themes within the book. Therefore, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume they were intentional on some level! And even if I'm reading too far into things and they weren't? It doesn't mean they hold no value.
Finally, these parallels are really interesting on their own, but it’s also really interesting to compare where each group ended up. Both groups ended up destroyed due to murder done by the ‘betrayer’, with only one person left standing. However, while Xue Yang was the survivor of the Yi city group (and was later killed by LWJ), the survivor of the Venerated Triad was Lan Xichen — someone who, as mentioned, though heavily affected, now has the chance to grow as a person and fully take things with all their context because of it. So despite the prevalence in the Jianghu of the attitude MXTX is critiquing, despite Wei Wuxian, Lan Wangji and Mianmian only really being able to find peace by stepping away rather than changing it, despite the tragedy of the stories of both the Yi City quartet and of 3zun... ultimately, these parallels could indicate hope.
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*Although there is a big difference in how much lower this class is, of course.
**There is also the aspect of Xue Yang having a negative past with Xiao Xingchen before, with the opposite being true for Jin Guangyao and Lan Xichen. Jin Guangyao is known to have a good memory and hold grudges — so, if the pairs’ roles were reversed, would anything fundamentally change?
#also both lxc and xxc share some sort of relation to a family member of wwx#xxc is cssr’s shidi even though they never met (she descended too early xxc only knows stories)#and lxc is obv lwj’s brother#if only both were younger/older than the relative… but then the plot would be impossible of course#this originally started with me thinking about lxc and xxc parallels… but then#anyway this is probably much too long but hopefully it’s enjoyable#thank you if you’ve read all the way#mdzs meta#my meta#lan xichen#xiao xingchen#jin guangyao#xue yang#nie mingjue#song lan#a qing#yi city#venerated triad#3zun#(<- is that a ship name or just trio name? it’s intended as the trio)#mo dao zu shi#魔道祖师#gdc#grandmaster of demonic cultivation
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Just saw an idiot on social media declare MDSZ a gothic romance. No. It’s not.
If the story was just the Yi City arc, then yes. Xiao Xingchen and Xue Yang are absolutely in a gothic romance story. Or if it was just from Qin Su’s perspective.
But they clearly don’t know that that genre is about and there’s romance + scary horror + death, so obviously…
The Yi city arc is neither gothic nor romance, lmao, but yeah, words mean things and "gothic" is a specific, European-inspired genre that has nothing to do with this Chinese webnovel, where China has its own genres the novel fits into.
#mdzs asks#anon#you're not slick anon lmao#there is not romance between xxc and xy#not even subtextual#xxc is just a good person and xy is the psycopath who wanted to break his spirit
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meet the chasers....this au might be taking up too much of my mind gang ngl........
#mdzs#british mdzs#my art#art#drawing#fanart#sketch#i cant believe this is the first time im drawing madame yu im gonna be ILL 😭😭😭#madame yu#wen qing#wei wuxian#lan xichen#jin guangyao#lan qiren#also if u see the awkwardly smudged bg just know#Just know i was VERY tempted#to keep mark labbett (? is rhat how u spell ir#just....in there.#so its all mdzs bitches and then Real Life Man From The Chase ITV Mark Labbett Aka The Beast#so ive kept the Gap in honour of him#so u know he was there at some point#and also that briefly i was gonna make him eithet NMJ or XXC#im leaning to NMJ as a 6th chaser for the 3zun nonsense
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Master manipulator vs Master manipulator
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#poorly drawn mdzs#mdzs#xue yang#a-qing#The scenes with XY and A-Qing are so delightfully tense and anxiety inducing#They are both so deep in the mind games with each other. Convinced they have the leg up when in reality they do not know the full scope#Also is is just me or do XY and A-Qing give off the vibe of internet nemeses?#A-Qing coming in hard with 'Oh you think blind people cant do XYZ? Get canceled idiot'#Meanwhile XY is the kind to purposefully use leet speak in descriptive text to antagonize the screen reader population.#a teen girl and a 4-channer who found his way to tumblr would be awful to watch fight irl but the vibes are equivalent.#Meanwhile XXC is going on a nice little walk to pick grass. I love him so much actually.#through writing these notes I have also gone down the rabbit hole of trying to pinpoint Xue Yang's age. Hello? Is it actually not known?#The best resources I could find put him as 1-3 years younger then xxc and song lan#So? early twenties? late teens? Someone who has absorbed more mdzs knowledge...Please help#Oh no I'm even deeper in the rabbit hole now. What do you mean the ages are mostly just relative?#What do you mean cultivators can age differently (usually slower in xianxia)#Oh no oh no wwx doesn't have a golden core. I was too accurate in my homestuck AU re: lifespans. I want to go back.#(I love angst and am now marinating this thought in my little thinking chamber)
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“明月清风晓星尘”
The shining moon and the gentle breeze, Xiao Xingchen
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#mdzs#mdzs fanart#mxtx mdzs#mo dao zu shi#xxc#xiao xingchen#daozhang#魔道祖师#晓星尘#道长#晓道长#i love gradient map bc I do not know colors#like one click boom yk#just realized that i flipped the canvas LMAO#thats what u get anyways#ain’t gonna change it#idk why but every time I draw him he came out so babygirl
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"Song Lan... I- I can't see." finally snapped; im making a pacrim au, lets fucking go
#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#xiao xingchen#song lan#songxiao#the untamed#cql#my art (??)#okay so i have a lot of stuff i wanna draw for this au aye i love it so much#i am so deeply into my mech phase (yet again) right now and just cannot be stopped#i learned the basics of how to draw a gundam and now im convinced im good at it or something aye#but anyway; the lore for this part of the story is basically that the mech was sabotaged by xy#with the intention of blinding sl and during the drift he was and the mech was blind too and thats how they got to injured#but the mech sort of threw them out of the drift and they thought they were okay in the end but xxc's vision goes black a little later#(the mech didnt throw them out; xxc tried to save sl by forcing him out (dangerous!!!) and taking the injuries of the mech onto himself)#basically xy tried to blind sl (and did temporarily) but ended up blinding xxc instead#mech au
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A-qing is such a tragic figure and i care her so much but one thing I love is this quiet character arc she has from a little girl doing what she has to do to survive, already more wordly and bitter than Xiao Xingchen even at her young age, a girl who isn't cruel but isn't here to help other people either, into genuinely a kind of guardian figure. After her death she sticks around and dedicates her non-life to protecting people, leading visitors away from Xue Yang and warning wwx and the juniors about him. And it works, in the end, without her they wouldn't have made it.
The yi city arc can seem so cynical sometimes. Idealism fails, helping a dying stranger by the side of the road only leads to tragedy, but a-qing cares and it helps! She's a counterpart to both xiao xingchen and song lan in that way, and thematically also a kind of counterpart to xue yang, where tragedy becomes a motivation for caring instead of against it. It's a weird thing to say since she's a kid that dies and her soul is shattered, but I think yi city would have come off a lot darker without her.
#mdzs#mdzs meta#yi city gang#a-qing#yi city#i don't mean to frame her vs xue yang as a 'good victim vs bad victim' kinda thing cause i am SO not interested in that#but i do think yi city as an arc deals with idealism and cynicism and he is squarely in the position of the cynic in the story#he's just kind of given up on humanity and refuses to acknowledge he cares even when he clearly does like with xxc#a-qing is his counterpart in the fact that she doesn't do that. she arguably ends the arc caring more than she does at the start#it's still obviously a tragedy#but she's a little refutation of complete grimdark. something in between xiao xingchen and xue yang.#caring can't fix everything. but it matters
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"how to lose a guy in 10 days" XueXiao AU
Xue Yang is trying to prove a point about Xiao Xingchen not really being the pinnacle of Patience and Goodness that (Xue Yang believes) he presents himself as, a point about how people are inherently shitty to each other and even Xiao Xingchen will get fed up and reject him if he pushes hard enough
Xiao Xingchen, who knows only that Xue Yang has a shady past, is trying to prove a point about how people are inherently good, and how Care and Compassion allows even the worst people to change for the better
Unfortunately for both their plans and points, they just genuinely LIKE each other so much that Xiao Xingchen doesn't really WANT Xue Yang to change, and Xingchen's seemingly unconditional love becomes utterly disarming to Xue Yang
#Mdzs#mo dao zu shi#Yi city#yi cheng#Xuexiao#Xue yang#xiao xingchen#Xxc#xue chengmei#Xcm#Fic ideas#I give anyone who enjoys this permission (and encouragement) to write a fic BUT#I challenge you to not make it a modern AU#scrap the journalism modern whatever of the movie and just make it xuexiao where they both have a POINT TO MAKE#but neither succeeds#the grandmaster of diabolism#grandmaster of demonic cultivation
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xiao xingchen saying he was baoshan sanrens disciple and wei wuxian and jiang cheng immediately turning to look at each other, jiang cheng watching on with a worried face after wei wuxian talks to xiao xingchen about baoshan sanren. I'm gonna be sick
#I don't know why this makes me so emotional but it does#its just like.... jc genuinely caring about something that means a lot to wwx#ghost posts#text#xxc#bssr#wwx#jc#yunmeng bros#cqltober lb
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